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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 2:15:57 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
I see. That is worrying. I would ask and persuade her to tell me what is wrong or if not, persuade her to eat healthily. If done in the correct way, the probability of sucess would be high, without one telling anybody.
Hmm.. Feliciano-kun said he worried about me. I appreciate it but I do not think he needes to worry about me in such a manner. Do you think I need to be worried about to such an extent as the girl in your example Turuko-san? That his worry is justified?
True, and that is chivalrous of you. But I hope you would not infringe on anothers trust.
Curious or not, I am sure the reply would be interesting.
Japan Honda Kiku ((What about this?))
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 14, 2011 2:23:13 GMT -5
Japonya,
We had tried that, but we could not be around her 24 hours a day to make sure that she ate healthily. To her, she was eating as healthily as she could in order to still loose wait and be fit. If no one told, she would have collapsed and been a lot worse off.
I have not seen any hints of such extreme behavior in you. Do you think you need to be worried about to such an extent?
There are many forms of trust to me. Trusting not to tell a secret is one thing. Trusting another to take proper care of themselves is another. Isn't the person breaking the trust by doing them selves harm when their friends and others trust them not to hurt themselves?"
When I get a response back, I will let you know.
Turkiye
((Ha, try that one))
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 2:36:15 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
Oh? How did you try to persuade her? It is not only with words that one can try to persuade her. Or with presence. There are many types of persuading. It is quite hard for none to work.
No. I do not. So you would not tell anyone anything that I may have said that had anything to do with my condition?
Turuko-san, I do not understand your second trust. What do you mean? If the person is not taking care of themsleves enough to your extent, it does not mean that they are not taking care of themselves. Some pleople eat more than others. Some eat less than others. Some sleep more, some sleep less.
That is all the matter of perspective then. What you may think is harmful may not be to them. What you think is to be happy may not be to them. What your think is best may not really be so. Is it really okay for you to dictate another person's life with your own expectations of what should be?
Thank you.
Japan Honda Kiku
(done^^ This is fun ^^)
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 14, 2011 2:47:15 GMT -5
Japonya,
I take it you have never been around a person with an eating disorder. They will never admit to their friends that something is wrong. There is no persuading from friends that can work. It takes a well train professional to help them.
You have a condition? I was not aware that you had a condition. To me, having a condition implies that there is something wrong. Are you ok?
If a person is showing the signs of not taking care of them selves according to normal standards of taking care of themseves, then it is up to others to try to help them. If they are wrong, they are wrong, and the other person may be mad and upset, but at least they know that the other person cares about them. To me, that is more important.
We must live our lives with our morals, values and ethics, and everyday these come into conflict. One must make a choice between the lesser of two evils, and I try to make a choice that has the most good associated with it. If this is wrong, I will willingly take the consequeses.
Your welcome.
Turkiye
((It is, I think I'm going to be an expert double talker by the time this is over))
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 3:00:32 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
I believe I have. And I believe I had succeded.
To say condition for me, is to mean the way I am right now. I do not believe there is anything wrong with the way I am right now. Turuko-san, are you saying that you think there is something wrong with me? And if you do, does that mean you will try to inform whoever else there is? I would not expect that from you and would like to think what was said had was between us only. Can you assure me of this?
What is normal standards? And sometimes, even if you wish to help, you can end up hurting and causing more harm than good which form there, the person my not forgive you. If they cared, then they would have trusted the person to know thier limit unless absolutely certain that hey do not. I know that could not happen to me because I know my limits and I cannot streach them.
But would you impose your own standards on another? I admit you have confused me with the lesser of two evels. What evils were there in the first place?
Japan Honda Kiku
(Haha~! Perhaps. But I'm not the best around so.. XD))
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Post by Feliciano Vargas on Nov 14, 2011 3:09:40 GMT -5
Kiku,
Ve, Doitsu? Is it pronounced like it's spelled, Kiku? Doitsu... Ve, that's kinda fun to say! Not as cute as Luddi, but fun! I might call him that sometime, if it's okay with Kiku!
But Kiku, if you're overworking then I'll be upset because I don't want my friends overstressing themselves when times are so bad for everyone... How are their problems your own, Kiku? I'm worried now. Kiku, you should know not to say that, it just makes me even more worried about you. You wouldn't tell me to not worry if there wasn't something to worry about...
Luddi was doing better the last I saw him. Wait, what does he mean?
Oh, that's good, ve! And I could never cook enough to make me not love it! Aw, you're welcome, Kiku! You deseve it!
No I'm not, ve! Kiku deserves even more nice words! He's one of the nicest nations I know, even Romano is almost always nice to Kiku, which is more than enough reason to give Kiku praise!
No, excersise would have helped Luddi, he wasn't taking care of himself. Please don't be so hard on yourself, Kiku, it was just a suggestion, he didn't have to do anything if he hadn't planned to.
...That makes no sense to me, ve! But if Kiku can do it, then obviously it has to actually exist! I'll see if I can, I'll practice!
You take care of yourself too, Kiku! Promise me, ve!
Feliciano
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 14, 2011 3:12:29 GMT -5
Japonya,
If you have succedded, then you are more skilled than I in the art of persuasion.
I am not implying that there is anything wrong with you. You do not need to get so defensive. It was a simple statement and question. If you can ensure me that you are 100% healthy and can do the things that you have been able to do in the past, and I'm able to see this, then yes, I can assure you that our conversations have stayed between us.
If the person gets upset and ends the friendship just because they were worried about them and tried to get them help, they weren't very close in the first place.
Like I said, I weight the options and I will take the consequenses. Does not society place their own standards on others every day? It is apart of human nature to do so.
The evils, keep a friends trust and let them hurt themselves, or break the trust and get them the help the needed. There were the "evils" in my examples, and the lesser of the two, according to my values is to get them help and deal with them being upset at me.
I will always weigh my choices and face the consequenses. If you think I have betryad you trust to Germany, then you can act as you see fit.
Turkiye
((How about that...hmmmm))
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 3:26:34 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
Thank you for your praise. It needs a lot of experience and hard work to be good at something like this.
Turuko-san, Very well. I am 100% healthy as said by my prefectures before they left me to work on their own responsibilities. That was only two days ago. There is not much to go downhill in such a short amount of time. They trust me enough to belive me when I say I am fine. Perhaps you will trust them instead. I am able to do the things I had in the past, and as a matter of fact, I can say that I am exactly able to do things that I did in the past.
Please do your bit now.
I-Is that so.. I see.. I should have known..
Each society has different standards.
I see. Even if they wish to permanetly cut you off?
All I wanted was a confirmation. Did you?
Japan Honda Kiku
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 14, 2011 3:33:19 GMT -5
Japonya,
Praise is given where praise is deserved.
Telling me is one thing, seeing is another. If I don not see it, I do not believe it. Should I come and see you to see for myself if you can do the things you used to? I can you know. How is it going to be? I do not have to do my part until you prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are completly healthy.
If they permentially cut me off for trying to be a good friend, then so be it. It is sad and one will wish it will not happen, but if you cut off a friend for caring and worring, then you are only hurnting yourself, for thats what friends do. We care and worry, comfort and protect, laugh and cry together.
I thought my confirmation was dependent on you proving that you are 100% well?
Turkiye
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 3:37:02 GMT -5
Feliciano-kun,
Hai. Doitsu is Germany in English. I do not mind, but please ask his permision first.
I do not think I am overworking. I feel that I am underworking instead.. And Feliciano-kun, you should know that everyone is interconnected. For example, if America-san accidentally catches a cold, there would be a high probability of me catching one too. Therefor in order to help myself, I must help him. Ano Feliciano-kun..? That is ano.. reversed psychology... It is not necessarily that way.
Ano.. What? Excuse me, I forgot what I had said in the previous letter. What did Doitsu-san mean?
N-no.. I do not deserve such words, much less more of it! Please, do not go through so much effort. I am sure Romano-san is just misunderstood by everybody and that is why he is just more irritated around them.
No, It was because of my suggestion amongst other things.. Could we move away from that topic please?
If you need help, please do not hesitate to ask from me.
I will take care of myself as much as I deserve to and how much I am worth! Ano.. I apologise. That sounds slightly too much..
Japan Honda Kiku
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 14, 2011 3:44:38 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
Thank you for your acknowledgement.
Do you wish me to send a health report? I can if you want me to. But if you dot believe me then it is fine. I know after all.
I will not cut you off unless you give me a big reason to. It is just that I am slightly disappointed that you would break a trust of a friend.
I know my limits and I follow them accordingly. If you were worried, I would have preferred it if you told me yourself instead of spreading it around. I do not want Doitsu-san to worry about me. He is supposed to rest. Not spend more time worrying about me. I will blame myslef if this knowledge only further agitates him.
Japan Honda Kiku
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 14, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5
Japonya, Health reports are too easy to fake; I learned a lot during my younger days and faking reports was one of them. I don't believe that you would go that far, but they are still easily faked. I never confirmed nor denied that I told Germany anything, but you can believe what you want to believe.
*sigh* I'm tired of arguing.
If you really must know, I told him that a few of your people died in the second quake that hit my land and that you took the news as well as could be expected. Our conversations consist mainly of talking about the 50th anniversary of the recruitment agreement between our two countries and how troublesome his brother can be. If you are disappointed, then you are disappointed.
Turkiye
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 15, 2011 2:14:14 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
Yes, I believe what I know.
I believe it would be beneficial to cease then.
If that is all than I would be thankful. Doitsu-san has already a lot on his plate with what had happened and he needs to relax rather than be burdened with further. I am sure how hard it is for him to relax. I hope he gets better soon..
Japan Honda Kiku
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Post by Sadiq Adnan on Nov 15, 2011 2:20:11 GMT -5
Japonya,
I'm glad.
Yes, that is all. I would hate to burden Germany more than he is already. Is something wrong with him? He hasn't mentioned it to me.
Turkiye
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Post by Honda Kiku on Nov 15, 2011 2:25:35 GMT -5
Turuko-san,
Let up move on then.
I am sure it is nothing then. If he has not told you anthing, then it would not be proper for me to say anything on it. t would not be his wish if such a thing did happen. Please do not mention anyhing about it. As a matter of fact, please forget about it immediately.
Japan Honda Kiku
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